Joseph Burkes MD 2017, edited 2023
On another social media page, I was asked about what races of ETs I might have had physical or mental connections with? Also, if I have ever had any interactions with MIBs? These questions give me a chance to review my contact activities over the years.
When it comes to meeting beings, no face-to-face encounters with them physically. However during the period of my volunteering as a CE-5 coordinator back in the 1990s, I had dozens of sightings of UFOs. On two separate occasions I experienced what might be called a “telepathic overrides” in the course of fieldwork with my Los Angeles based contact team. During both field investigations, I received advance notification telling me when UFOs were going to show up later those nights. I also was made aware of the number of craft that would be involved and their locations in the sky. I shared the info with my co-workers as suggested by the guidelines given to the CE-5 contact teams. As “predicted” the UFOs subsequently showed up as I had been “notified.”
Along with these two verifiable events, I had many “contact downloads” during a two-year period from 1993 into 1994. In a kind of “awake dream state” I received much abstract information plus visual narratives. It was like watching a movie in one’s mind. Most of narratives involved so-called “Grays” although a few “Nordics” appeared in some of these “theater of the mind” experiences. I look at these anomalous occurrences as a form of channeling. All those experiences, while very interesting to me personally, were totally unverifiable.
The themes of these mental encounters were basically instructional in nature. At the level of mind, I was allowed to view or actually “meet” specific “ETs” that lectured me about various contact themes such as, why they are here and what are their capabilities. Thus, I “downloaded” the typical contactee fare concerning an “ET master plan” that allegedly has been unfolding here on Earth for some time.
I had no MIB encounters, but there was telephone harassment. In January of 1996 a series of strange calls came in for about a week before a scheduled fieldwork outing to stage Human Initiated Contact Event (HICE). I prefer this term to “CE-5.” The telephone calls occurred in the following manner. The phone would ring, but nobody was on the line when my wife or I picked up. Practically every sixty minutes during nine to five business hours, the calls came in. I presume that whoever they were, their message was possibly, “We know who you are and what you are doing.” Following the phone calls, when we arrived at Joshua Tree to do fieldwork, my team was photographed by individuals that appeared to be military intelligence operatives or private contractors. This happened both on the main park road as well as at Jumbo Rocks Campground. It should be mentioned that during this cold winter outing the park was nearly deserted.
In the summer of 1997, I received threatening phone calls from one or more individuals that I suspected were contractor intelligence agents. One was able to describe to me my contact network activities in detail. This rude rather aggressive individual told me, “It would be better for you if you got out of CSETI.” This threat was not however the decisive reason for my resignation in 1998 that had more to do with personal and political differences that I had with the CSETI Director
Additional Questions and Answers for this post.
1.What about the “ET master plan” that you mentioned, and about the assumption that there are many different motivations for different ET groups?
Answer: I assume no such thing. After resigning from CSETI in 1998 I took a critical look at the UFO subculture that I had been so active in. I read the works of John Keel and Dr. Vallee and I concluded that although the ET hypothesis was in popular and taken as true on the basis of faith, UFO intelligences’ ability to create illusions undermined my sense of certainty about who and what they were. The UFO phenomenon was certainly far more complicated than the simplistic view that there are “good or bad aliens” from different “star systems” operating on the Earth.
This new perspective was not an easy thing for me accept. After all, I had contributed thousands of hours of volunteer work doing contact related activities. For over five years during the 1990s, I had imagined that our contact network was attempting to reach out to spiritually and technologically advanced ETs. While I was closely associated with Dr. Greer, I raised money for CSETI, did media events, but the best role I had was to be a contact team leader. In that capacity, I had an opportunity to be part of a collective of determined UFO investigators. We were engaging the phenomenon with high ideals for what we hoped was peaceful communication leading to a more open and mutually beneficial relationship with the non-human intelligences (NHIs) associated with UFOs. At the time, I especially enjoyed fulfilling a personal “mission” to further a hopeful humanitarian cause.
I suggest that all UFO truth seekers get a hold of Colin Wilson’s book “Alien Dawn” that provides an excellent summary of the theories of two giants in UFO research, Mr. John Keel and Dr. Jacques Vallee.
2. What did you do when you received the threatening phone calls?
Answer: Thanks for the question, but the answer is not a pretty story, and it is difficult for me to share. The threat I received contributed to my resigning from CSETI under very unpleasant circumstances. I might work up the courage to share on social media a narrative that goes into the circumstances of my resignation from CSETI but am tired of the ugly side of UFO politics.
3. Another commenter expressed surprise about my having contact downloads with “Gray and Nordic” types. Also why did I refer to my contact downloads as being “totally unverifiable.”
Joseph Burkes: It has been said that with channeled material and two dollars you can a cup of coffee from Starbucks. This maxim applies as well to my mental interactions with the non-human intelligences that I refer to sometimes as “UFO Intel.” I like this term because it captures the intelligence-counterintelligence paradigm that I find so much better than the notion that we can employ Western materialist science to research the phenomenon.
Back to channeling, yes it was great to have “downloads.” I wanted them to go on forever, but after a few months they just petered out. My fellow CE-5 Working Group Coordinator Wayne Peterson who headed the Phoenix team summed up my contact downloads in the following way. He said that the ETs gave me a course, something like “Channeling 101.” As if to say to me, “Joseph, you can do this.” Once the course was over there was no need to continue it. Although I am skeptical of the validity of many messages that are received as channeling, it is a real phenomenon. Like UFO contact, NDEs, ghosts, OBE etc., channeling is one of the consciousness mediated and what author Rey Hernandez calls “the Contact Modalities.”
I repeat, only two contact downloads could be verified because they accurately predicted the subsequent appearance of UFOs that were multiply witnessed. This is an important condition because the contact network has been instructed by the alleged ETs to work in groups. The highly detailed and emotionally charged “awake dreams” that I had contained many abstract concepts as well as details about the various alleged ET groups working here. And they were experienced like watching a sci-fi TV series with my mind’s eyes. Very entertaining and possibly instructive, but totally unverifiable. When I write “instructive” I don’t mean that the lessons were true, but rather they gave me insight into how other contact experiencers were having psi mediated interactive events with “UFO Intel.”
I should point out that when I refer to the “Contact Underground”, I don’t just refer to CE-5ers or the Peruvian based group now called Rahma, but more importantly to the many, perhaps hundreds of contact workers that are “flying below the radar.” There exist independent teams that have been instructed by their “case officers” from a “higher intelligence agency” (the alleged ETs) to operate under more clandestine conditions. My impression is that this is why they often operate in remote locations with no access to publicity or have been deliberately warned not to associate with the more public, less secretive teams. I am grateful for the opportunity to learn of their existence. This is because, in my opinion, a public individual such as myself could pose considerable risks to their security by associating with them. I share this perspective based on my understanding that there are ongoing vigorous counterintelligence programs directed at contact experiencers. In my opinion. corporate and governmentally based intelligence organizations are actively following the contact community.
I am hopeful that over generations (perhaps it will require centuries of enlightened struggle) we will establish on this planet of so much pain, greed and cruelty, a new kind of just and peaceful civilization. I imagine that full contact can never be achieved in a world based on militarism and economic exploitation. Perhaps, once our society is rebuilt on foundations of cooperation and friendship, the non-human intelligences associated with flying saucers will finally reveal to us who they truly are.
Till then, with all terrestrial elites opposing anything like open contact, to reveal their actual “master plan” (if such a thing exists) in public would not only be foolish but I suspect would trigger fierce repression against contact workers and their supporters.
I say this because there are fanatical fundamentalist religious groups that call themselves “Christian” that have decided that the so-called aliens are “demons.” I suspect that some of these groups believe contact activists, or even perhaps all experiencers, are “dancing with the devil.” If deranged people are willing to kill physicians that do safe legal abortions and the killers are applauded by some fanatical groups, might not similarly motivated fundamentalists be tempted to kill those that are promoting contact? I sincerely hope that this is not the case.
We should not rule out completely the unlikely possibility that there are those who might want to use an ET presence to justify building of a vast space-based array of weapons and create a kind of new Cold War with the so-called aliens. Unless mankind is properly prepared for full, open, and peaceful relations, a host of other potential problems might happen.
I have dialogued with Latin American UFO enthusiasts. One of them a number of years ago expressed a strong hatred of the “ETs’. She described me “as a very dangerous person.” This was because at that time I was openly recruiting psi capable experiencers into the contact network. “Very dangerous” people are sometimes dealt with harshly by fanatical groups that unfortunately are all too eager to carry out violence against their perceived enemies.
4. What is the content of your “contact downloads?”
Joseph Burkes: I have about 40 pages of material that describe what those downloads contained. I must admit that I am dubious about their value. I believe that like most channeled material “downloads” are a co-creation of human and non-human intelligence (the so-called ETs.) I sometimes think of this kind of material as “fairy tales for adults.” They reveal more about how UFO Intel can read our minds and co-create with us emotionally compelling narratives, than saying anything accurate about who they are or where they come from.
When I say “emotionally compelling” I mean that I could not speak about one of those downloads in public for 15 years because I would start crying. So the alleged ETs can really push our emotional buttons.
Does my weeping make any of what I experienced more “real?” No it doesn’t. My behavior is reminiscent of those so-called abduction victims that shed tears during hypnotic sessions. The expression of powerful emotion doesn’t prove that “abductees” really went on board spacecraft, but it gives dramatic testimony to how increasing numbers of individuals are being powerfully affected by the phenomenon.
In my opinion, mankind is dealing with an incredibly sophisticated paranormal intelligence(s?) that probably has been creating belief systems here on Earth for a long time.
5. Do any of our interactions provide trustworthy information about where UFO Intelligence comes from?
Joseph Burkes: Probably not.
Unfortunately, most people when confronted with the UFO theme or any other potentially threatened subject, they usually end up creating an emotionally satisfying belief system and to hell with any evidence that doesn’t support their beloved pet theory.
This was one of the stated reasons why Dr. Vallee distanced himself from the popular UFO community about 25 years ago. He found ufology to be a shouting arena in which people argued about their belief systems. In Dr. Vallee’s judgment, this made rational discussion of the issues nearly impossible. I am still hopeful that reasonable discussions might be possible, and this is one of the reasons I am sharing my experiences and thoughts on social media.
For additional reports about the CE-5/HICE teams the following links are provided:
My human initiated contact team had immediate results when we started fieldwork, but they were not what I expected.
https://contactunderground.wordpress.com/2022/10/15/mystery-lights-in-the-santa-susana-pass/
Staging Human Initiated Contact Events adjacent to a high security research lab involved challenges of surveillance for my team.
https://contactunderground.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/did-a-fateful-phone-call-trigger-the-appearance-of-blackhawk-helicopters-during-contact-work/
This report was first published in 1993 on my return from a CE5 investigation in the “Volcanic Zone” near the Mexico City. There our team witnessed multiple UFOs including a large triangular “craft” that signaled at us.
https://contactunderground.wordpress.com/2022/02/20/ufo-investigation-in-the-volcanic-zone/
Crop Circles are thought of as communications from UAP associated intelligences. Might “cloud formations” be next?
What is flying saucer intelligences had access to every witness’ full treasure chest of memories?
Contact Underground 