James Iandoli interviewed me on his “Engaging the Phenomenon” YouTube Channel on October 17, 2022. The discussion is titled “Prime Contactees & The UFO Intelligence-Counterintelligence Model.”

I describe a unique type of contact experiencer that serves as a “human UFO magnet.” Such individuals can request a sighting when others are present and have UAPs appear. As an organizer for the CE-5 Initiative I attempted to build a network of activists that incorporated so called “Primes” into our working group operations. In my view, Prime Contactees in a sense function as “agents” working for what Dr. Jacques Vallee has called “a higher intelligence agency.”

I describe one conflict that I had with the CSETI Director in 1995 that contributed to my resigning from Dr. Greer’s organization in 1998. This was a challenging time because of surveillance of our network by governmental and perhaps corporate security services. I discuss some of causes of organizational tensions resulting from the dual mission of fieldwork and working with government operatives as part of what researcher Grant Cameron has called a “gradual acclimatization” program of limited disclosure.

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