High Strangeness Galore described in a 3rd 2021 Interview with Producer James Iandoli 

Partial Program Notes for “Engaging the Phenomenon” Show #15 with Joseph Burkes MD

In this interview broadcast on July 29, 2021, the discussion starts with the reasons why I believe the term HICE (Human Initiated Contact Event) is superior to the popular designation CE-5 (Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind):

1. HICE is a description of the activity itself. The term Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind instead requires a detailed explanation of the categories formulated by two professional scientists Drs. Hynek and Vallee. These are the “Close Encounters of the First” through “Fourth Kind” categories. 
2. Materialist/physicalist science is probably not an appropriate model for engaging UAP intelligences. This is because scientific work typically requires controlled experiments carried out using strictly defined protocols. When it comes to staging Human Initiated Contact Events, it is the non-human intelligences (not people using scientific methods) that determine, when, where and for whom they will appear. 
3. Furthermore, physicalist/materialist science is based upon the assumption that the universe is “objective.” Thus, the laws of nature are assumed to constants and apply equally throughout the Cosmos. These assumptions don’t seem applicable to the non-human intelligences responsible for UAP who according to Dr. Jacques Vallee are able to “manipulate spacetime.”
4. The Peruvian contact network Rama (now called Rahma) started two decades before CE-5 Initiative was launched. People all over the world are being contacted mentally to stage Human Initiated Contact Events without having to learn scientific origins of the CE-5 designation, so why not use a direct descriptive term like HICE.
5. The non-objective, “staged”, quality of human-nonhuman interactions is recognized by Rahma. This subjective (non-objective) aspect is reflected by  the Spanish term they use, “encuentros programados” (programmed encounters) to describe their interactions with UAP intelligences.
   

Shifting to another topic, I explore with James Iandoli what I call the “Virtual Experience Model” for contact with flying saucer intelligences. This theory describes how UAP intelligences use from a physicalist perspective what can be defined as “illusory” mechanisms to engage specifically targeted humans.  

I describe several sightings that led me to formulating the “Virtual Experience Model.” This initially included a sighting of a bizarre, wooden aircraft with short stubby wings and an empty open canopy. Painted red with yellow lightning bolts on its fuselage, it was flying far too slowly to create sufficient lift for powered flight. This happened during my first month of leading a contact team and set me on the path that would eventually lead to my postulating the Virtual Experience Model for UFO investigations. 

This in-depth interview allowed me to discuss additional high strangeness aspects of staging HICE/CE-5. This included the bizarre events experienced during a CE-5 training at an old mining town in Arizona. A phenomenon that I called “invisible footsteps” was reportedly experienced by multiple contact activists.

While preparing to carry out contact protocols, the sound of what was thought to be a person slowly moving through the brush was heard. Nevertheless, no human or animal could be seen producing these sounds. Some of the “footsteps” appeared to “walk” right up to the witnesses causing fear and confusion. There was a bizarre interactive component as well. When witnesses stated that they were becoming afraid and asked the “footstep maker” to stop, the approaching sounds reportedly could no longer be heard. Then, when witnesses stated that it was “OK” for them to approach, the sounds resumed. 

In 1993, I was part of a CE-5 team that witnessed a large triangular craft at the base of Popocatepetl Volcano. When I returned from that expedition, I personally experienced a bizarre ringing tone in my right ear each time I spoke to friends and co-workers about UFOs. This recurrent ringing only happened for a few weeks. As strange as this seems, it appeared as if my thoughts and interactions were being monitored and that the ringing was induced by a nonhuman energetic targeting of my auditory neurocircuitry.  

During a fieldwork investigation of Wayne Peterson’s Phoenix CE-5 team, a High Strangeness Event reportedly occurred that suggested UFO intelligences have access to experiencers’ full treasure chest of memories.  In a blog about this contact event, I wrote the following:

“During one field investigation in the Arizona desert at night, Wayne and his team experienced an event of High Strangeness. The sky was reportedly clear with the tremendous visibility that one can experience in the desert far from city lights. Wayne told me that he had become quite familiar not only with the appearance of various planes going overhead, but also the sounds that they made as the moved across the sky. On this night, Wayne and his team heard the roar of what he identified as a 747 Jumbo Jet moving slowly overhead from horizon to horizon. To his surprise they could not see any of the FAA required lights on what they initially thought was surely a commercial aircraft. 

Things got even stranger when a while laterthe sound of a Mack truckslowly tracked overhead. They reportedly saw no lights in the sky associated with the pounding engine sound. In the final event of what may have been “the extraterrestrials’” version of the kindergarten exercise “show and tell”, Wayne’s team heard a sound moving from horizon to horizon that no one, except Wayne, had ever been heard before.  He recognized it immediately as the clanking sputtering of his grandfather’s old diesel tractor that he used to ride on as a child during visits to the family farm. As in the other examples, the anomalous sound tracked from horizon to horizon. Again, there were no lights in the sky associated with the unique sound.  Wayne was certain that it was exactly like the clanking he heard coming from that ancient piece of farm equipment. Wayne told me that when this happened, he realized that the unseen intelligence that his contact team was interacting with, probably had complete access to his entire store of memories. 

Perhaps they chose that memory of his to make a teaching point concerning the role of illusion in the contact drama and their extraordinary psi capabilities. If they could do this with Wayne, then by inference they might have access to any targeted individual’s treasure chest of memories.”

All in all, it was a pleasurable experience reporting on these and other High Strangeness Events. The extraordinary physical as well as psychic capabilities of UFO intelligences are, and will continue to be, a challenge to terrestrial science as the worldwide contact drama unfolds. 

To view the video, click on the link below.

July 29,2021

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