Scouting out a Contact Site in the High Desert: “Mr. Big,” Two Military Types and a One-man Chopper”
Joseph Burkes MD 2014, edited 2024
October 1992: I was the first to arrive at the small parking area nestled against the rock face of the north side of the Santa Susana Pass. There was barely enough room for a half dozen vehicles to park. I was volunteering as a “Working Group Coordinator” for the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI).
“PHOTON TALK” DURING A PREVIOUS OUTING
Just a few weeks before while doing night contact work in the pass, highly anomalous lights had signaled at our team from the steep walls of the north side of the canyon. The lights were truly anomalous in that they were large, over a foot across and had some special features like strobe and slow flare up and dim functions. They were separated by perhaps one hundred feet.
One was positioned on the sheer elevation of the canyon. To access it, one would have to be a rock climber of considerable skill. The second light was higher up on the rock face and perched on a ledge next to some scrub brush that clung to the cliff.
On the night of this September 1992 encounter, while my team was climbing down the trail from the south side of the pass, one of these lights signaled at our team from the opposite side of the pass. With advice from a co-worker, Alex Ayres, I signaled back at the light in a specific pattern: one flash from my lantern, wait three seconds, then two flashes, then wait three seconds, finally three flashes from my halogen 500K candlepower “light bazooka.”
To my surprise, the anomalous light on the ridge signaled back at me with a powerful strobe. One flash from me, and then an immediate strobe reply. The response was so fast that it occurred even before the light from my “bazooka” had faded. Two signals from me, followed by strobe, strobe. Finally three in a row from my lantern, flash, flash flash, then three quick strobes in reply. The rapidity of the responses suggested there was a consciousness connection between me and whoever was signaling at us.
I was working in the ER at the Kaiser Panorama City Medical Center. As a result of this assignment I had a flexible schedule. Thus, it was relatively easy to schedule the outing during an afternoon off. If I had remained in my internal medicine office-based practice it would have been much harder to find the time to do volunteer contact work.
The Santa Susana Pass is located in the high desert in the northwest corner of Los Angeles County. It was sunny that October day, typical Southern California weather, hot and dry. The roar of the traffic on the 118 Freeway filled the canyon. It was a desolate place. The steep canyon walls on either side of the road were covered with sagebrush that clung to rock face.
A BIG MAN IN A BLACK MERCEDES SEDAN
I couldn’t help noticing a large black Mercedes sedan illegally parked on the overpass that spanned the highway. The widows were rolled up and in the driver’s seat sat an enormous man with a white shirt and black tie. He must have weighed 300 pounds. He looked like an actor from a James Bond movie, the kind of character that perhaps might be called “Mr. Big.” I imagined that his engine was running and he had the AC on full blast, because otherwise that big black car in the hot sun would become an oven on wheels.
THE CSETI INTELLIGENCE CONNECTION
My level of vigilance was high, not just because I grew up in crime ridden New York City during the 1960s and was not accustomed to hiking in the desert, but also because of what I had learned from Dr Greer. At the beginning of the contact campaign that he called the “Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind Initiative,” he readily shared details of his interactions with intelligence operatives working for both the legal authorities and the more shadowy elements that he labeled “the control group.” This allegedly was a network of powerful corporate and government forces allegedly working to “keep a lid” on the UFO situation.
Their clandestine program presumably was a highly sophisticated campaign of “perception management” using psychological warfare techniques that targeted the population and resulted in what has been called “the UFO Truth Embargo.” Key public influencers, journalists, academicians, politicians, and highly placed insiders in the Pentagon all had a role in convincing the American people that when it came to UFOs, “There was nothing to see there.”
After Dr. Greer’s workshops, it was his regular practice to talk to small groups of followers. Till late hours in the night he told amazing stories about the sequelae of the Gulf Breeze encounter in which four saucer shaped craft had signaled at his contact team. I considered this event to be of great importance. It had occurred on the night of March 14, 1992, just a short distance from the Pensacola Naval Station whose radar I suspected had picked up the encounter. The multiple video recordings of this event helped convince me and others to participate in Dr. Greer’s program of human initiated contact.
In addition, he informed his closest followers that in 1991 an active duty Naval Intelligence Commander in full uniform had visited his home. His name is Will Miller. He reportedly served as of liaison between Dr. Greer and US Executive Branch intelligence services. This collaboration lasted for over two decades and according to Commander Wilson ended around 2013.
A few weeks after the Gulf Breeze encounter, Dr. Greer suddenly found himself invited to speak at an alien abduction conference. The sponsoring organization was called “Treatment and Research for Experienced Anomalous Trauma) (TREAT).” There, several retired military offices who Dr. Greer suspected might be in “the control group” reportedly pulled the North Carolina physician aside and “grilled” him about what were his intentions with his new organization. In a leaked 2010 document called “Dead Man’s Trigger” On page 21 of the pdf file:
http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/steve.greer.dead.mans.trigger.pdf
, the CSETI Director reportedly explained that with the consciousness based techniques of his center, they had discovered the “Rosetta Stone” for contacting what he called “ET intelligence.” And they were training teams to engage UFO associated intelligences in the course of fieldwork.
Several months later, as I waited for my team in the Santa Susana Pass, I was aware of these interactions between my medical colleague and people who would be described in Hollywood Westerns as “some pretty tough hombres.”
THE PRESENCE OF MILITARY OFFICER TYPES AT ROCKY PEAK STATE PARK.
“Mr. Big” in the black Mercedes was the first clue that I things were a bit strange. Later just before the other members of LA CE-5 Working Group arrived, a civilian Jeep pulled up and out jumped a man in his early forties. He had a short mustache, athletic build, wearing shorts, sunglasses, and a baseball style cap. The brisk and focused way he moved suggested he was active, or retired military.
About an hour later after the other volunteers for our scouting mission had joined me, we were hiking up to Rocky Peak. On the trail we passed another gentleman who looked like he might be related to the first. Although slightly heavier in build, he had the same kind of short mustache, sunglasses, and military bearing. What made their presence even more remarkable was that it was a weekday afternoon and the park was pretty much deserted. Running into one guy who might look like a military officer could be coincidental, but two separate ones, maybe not.
LOW FLYING ONE-MAN CHOPPER WHEEZES BY
As we came down the steep trail to the parking area, we had an additional clue indicating something strange was going on. A one-man helicopter wheezed by us flying at low altitude through the narrow canyon that formed the Santa Susana Pass. It was so close to the 118 Freeway that from our position up on the trail we could actually look down directly into the cockpit.
I knew such craft existed from photo books that I had perused as a child, but I had never seen one in flight. It was probably no more seventy yards from us as it raced by. I didn’t see any governmental or commercial emblem on the toy like chopper. My guess was that this “bird” was flying in violation of LA County regulations that prohibited low altitude flight over freeways.
Our scouting mission to check out Rocky Peak for UFO research revealed that the trail up to our potential research site was quite doable. I suspected however that it would take the older and slower members of our team close to an hour to get up through the foothills to the base of the mountain. Fortunately there was a large open flat area at the top of the trail. I thought,
“What a great place for a flying saucer to land.”
The clearing from which Rocky Peak rose was several football-fields large and the best part was that we had encountered only one rattlesnake on the hike. This was going to work out just fine! Little did I know that our encounters with helicopters were just beginning. In the next chapter, I describe how two large black helicopters followed us up the trail to what I had imagined was a “perfect UFO research site.” For more details the following link is provided:
Staging Human Initiated Contact Events (HICE) adjacent to a high security research lab involved challenges of surveillance for my team.
https://contactunderground.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/did-a-fateful-phone-call-trigger-the-appearance-of-blackhawk-helicopters-during-contact-work/
Addendum: My suspicions about surveillance of our contact team back in the 1990s was reinforced by a report of alleged “ET” sabotage at the Santa Susana Department of Energy Laboratory located just a few miles away from our research site. In 2006 while working at the Kaiser Panorama City ER, I interviewed a patient who was retired maintenance engineer from the DOE lab. He told me that that around 1990 a water main had been severed. He and a co-worker followed the water line to a point where they found a section of the pipe had been cut out. The hole allegedly had clean margins as if made by a power tool. A short distance away they saw a metallic disc, some 20 to 30 feet across. It was hovering just a few feet off the ground. After they called security, the craft reportedly took off at tremendous speed.
According to the witness, this happened just a few years before my team in 1992 did fieldwork near the DOE lab. Given the CSETI Director’s involvement with US Executive Branch security services, and the apparent sabotage at the DOE base, our contact team’s open efforts to attract UFOs to that location likely triggered surveillance and would account for the events described in this report. For more details read the posting linked directly below:
Comments:
On another social media platform the following question was asked,” Do you think this kind of interference is still happening today?”
Here is my reply: Thanks for the question. When you write “interference” I think you are referring to “surveillance.” The short answer is “no.” A few points I need to add to the discussion include some important information about the CSETI Director’s interactions with both the “off the books” shadowy groups probably sponsored by wealthy people (oligarchs/Christian fundamentalists?) and separately the CIA. I mentioned the members of the “control group” that he met with at the TREAT conference. These included General Albert Stubblebine who died in 2017. They reportedly tried to recruit the CSETI Director, offering to set him up with an “institute” to the tune of between 5 and ten million dollars. The “catch” was that the control groups would control the results of the CE-5 investigations not Dr. Greer. In subsequent years it appears that Dr. Greer has exaggerated this amount quoted to us back in 1992, raising the bribe to considerably larger amounts. When Steven Macon Greer (SMG) apparently refused their offer, his home was broken into and a group of crackpots from a “contactee cult” (Allies of Humanity?) spread rumors that he was not a physician which of course was not true.
The negotiations with the CIA to set up the December 1993 meeting with CIA Director Woolsey went on for several months. The CSETI inner circle got a chance to look at a telegram sent by Woolsey’s friend and head of the Arlington Institute John Petersen. According to Grant Cameron writing in “Managing Magic”, Petersen attended a number of SMG’s lectures around the country before approaching him. As the result of the meeting with Woolsey, SMG entered into what Cameron apt describes as the “gradual acclimatization program” documented extensively in “Managing Magic.”
One of the points Greer reported on to the leadership of the contact network was that his cooperation with Woolsey was predicated on their not interfering with CE-5 operations. This
they apparently agreed to and the “psychotronic” attacks that he, his
assistant Shari Adamiak and possibly the “prime contactee” who I call
“Misha” received, came probably from nongovernmental bad actors.
The success of the CSETI educational campaign including SMG”s countless
lectures, videos, books and “contact apps” is that there are by my estimate
several thousand people continually engaging UFO Intelligences proactively all
over the English-speaking world. There are just too many of us to follow around
during fieldwork, but the surveillance, phone taps, monitoring of web sites and
email traffic in my opinion undoubtedly continues. At what level is very hard to gage.
I hope this clarifies the answer to your question. Thanks for asking it as it helped me go over some little-known facts and analysis about how we got to the current situation.
Here are some links to blogs on related topics:
Additional contact team reports:
My human initiated contact team had immediate results when we started fieldwork, but they were not what I expected.
https://contactunderground.wordpress.com/2022/10/15/mystery-lights-in-the-santa-susana-pass/
During the first month of staging Human Initiated Contact Events (HICE) members our LA based CE-5 team not only had sightings during fieldwork, but also while driving home alone.
Contact Underground 