Q&A for Joseph Burkes MD from 2015, edited 2022

1.What about the “ET master plan” that you have mentioned, and about the assumption that there are many different motivations for different ET groups?

‪Joseph Burkes MD:‪ I assume no such thing. After resigning from CSETI in 1998, I took a critical look at the UFO subculture that I had been so active in. I read the works of John Keel and Dr Vallee and I concluded that the although the ET hypothesis might be true, the UFO phenomenon is far more complicated than the simplistic view describing “good or bad aliens” from different groups operating here on Earth. I now view flying saucer intelligences as a paranormal force that employs the creation of illusions as a contact modality. 

This new perspective was not an easy thing for me accept. After all, I had contributed thousands of hours of volunteer work doing contact related activities. I imagined that we in the contact network were attempting to reach out to spiritually and technologically advanced ETs. When I was closely associated with Dr Greer, I raised money for CSETI, did media events but the best thing was that I got to be contact team leader. In that capacity, I had an opportunity to be part of a collective of determined UFO investigators with high ideals that were engaging the phenomenon. I hoped that our peaceful interactions would lead to a more open and mutually beneficial relationship.

‪I suggest all UFO truth seekers get a hold of Colin Wilson’s book “Alien Dawn” that provides an excellent summary of the theories of those two greats of UFO research, John Keel and Dr Jacques Vallee. Keel’s work should be understood to be a product of a time 50 years ago when much important testimony confirming the probable ET nature of the phenomenon had not been investigated yet. I am talking about the Roswell Incident and the release of government documents in the 1970s and 1980s showing very forceful governments efforts to maintain a coverup. 

‪As far as the so-called “master plan” I will post something about that on Contact Underground some time in the next few months. 

2. What did you do when you received the threatening phone calls? 

Joseph Burkes‪ MD: Thanks for the question, but the answer is not a pretty story, and it is difficult for me to share. The threat I received contributed to my resigning from CSETI under very unpleasant circumstances. I might work up the courage to share on social media my narrative that goes into the circumstances of my resignation from CSETI. However, I am pretty tired of the ugly side of UFO politics. I conceivably could put my side of the story into a book some day as a way of experiencing  closure for the whole awkward personal circumstances of my leaving CSETI.  

3. Another commenter expressed surprise about my having contact downloads with “Gray and Nordic” types. Also why did I refer to my contact downloads as being “totally unverifiable.”

J. Burkes MD: Sure, it was great to have “downloads.” I wanted them to go on forever, but after a few months they just petered out. I suspect that I would have been willing to meditate in full lotus position upside if I knew that could bring the downloads back. All my requests for further ‘subjectively acquired material”(SAM was the term we used for what are now called “downloads) however fell on deaf “ET” ears (not sure if they have them).  My fellow CE-5 Working Group Coordinator Wayne Peterson that headed the Phoenix team summed up my contact downloads in the following way. He said that the ETs gave me a course, something like “Channeling 101.” As if to say to me, “Joseph you can do this.” Once the course was over there was not need to continue it. 

I repeat, only two contact downloads could be verified because they accurately predicted the subsequent appearance of UFOs that were multiply witnessed during fieldwork. These witnesses were present because the contact network had been operating in groups. The detailed “awake dreams” that contained much abstract concepts as well as details about the alleged “ET” groups working here were like watching a sci-fi series with my mind’s eyes. Very entertaining and emotionally powerful but totally unverifiable. 

I should point out that when I refer to the Contact Underground, I don’t just refer to CE-5ers or Rama now called Rahma, but more importantly to the many, perhaps hundreds of contact workers that are “flying below the radar” and have been deliberately warned not to associate with more public, less secretive groups. 

I am hopeful that over generations, perhaps it will be centuries, we will establish on this planet of so much pain, greed and cruelty a new kind of just and peaceful civilization. I imagine that full contact can only be achieved in a world based on peace and social/environmental justice. At that moment in our civilization’s history, whatever are the origins of UFO intelligences, ET?, Inter-dimensionals?, time travelers? (my wife calls them “the whatevers”) perhaps then they might be willing to level with us as to who they truly are. 

According to my analysis, with all terrestrial elites opposing contact, to publicly in detail the actual ” master plan” (if such a thing exists) would be foolish. Only after a protracted period of social action and spiritual transformation will humanity be able to grasp and support any kind of “masterplan” for Earth civilization.  

I say this because there are fanatical fundamentalist religious trends that call themselves Christian that have decided that the so-called aliens are “demons” and we UFO activists and contact experiencers are “dancing with the devil.” If deranged people are willing to kill physicians that do safe legal abortions and the killers are applauded by some groups, might similarly motivated fundamentalists be convinced to kill those that are promoting contact? 

We should not ignore the possibility that militarists some day in the distant future might use an “ET presence” to justify an accelerated  buildup of space based weapons. Currently, this seems to be extremely unlikely as the US military budget keeps getting larger ever year by frightening the masses and politicians with conventional threats. 

If mankind is properly prepared for full open peaceful contact with UFO associated non-human intelligences,  then the risks of this issue being used by militarists will be minimized.  

4. What is the content of your “contact downloads?”

Joseph Burkes: I have about 40 pages of material about what those downloads contained. I must admit that my dubious about their value. I believe that like most channeled material “downloads” is a co-creation of human (that’s me I hope, just kidding) and non-human intelligences (the so-called ETs.) I think of this kind of material as “fairy tales for adults.” They reveal more about how UFO Intel can read our consciousness and co-create with us an emotional compelling narratives than it says anything accurate about who they are or where they come from. 

When I say “emotionally compelling” I mean that I could not speak about one of those downloads in public for 15 years because I would start crying. So the alleged ETs can really push our emotional buttons. 

Does my weeping make any of what I experienced more “real?” No it doesn’t. My behavior is reminiscent of those so-called abduction victims that shed tears during hypnotic sessions. The expression of powerful emotion doesn’t prove that “abductees” really physically went on board spacecraft, but it gives dramatic testimony to how increasing numbers of individuals are being powerfully affected by the phenomenon. 

In my opinion mankind is dealing with an array of incredibly sophisticated paranormal intelligences that probably has been creating belief systems here on Earth for a long time. 

5. Do any of our interactions provide trustworthy information about where UFO Intelligence comes from? 

Joseph Burkes:Probably not. 

Unfortunately most people when confronted with UFOs or any other potentially threatened subject, they usually end up creating an emotionally satisfying belief system and to hell with any evidence that doesn’t support their beloved pet theory. 

This was one of the stated reasons why Dr Vallee stopped interacting with popular UFO groups 25 years ago. He found ufology to be a shouting arena in which people mostly argued about their belief systems. This made rational discussion of the issues nearly impossible.