Scouting out a Contact Site in the High Desert: “Mr. Big,” Two Military Types and a One-man Chopper” 

CONTACT NETWORK HISTORY PROJECT: EVIDENCE OF SURVEILLANCE

Joseph Burkes MD 2014, updated 2024

October 1992. I was the first to arrive at the small parking area nestled against the rock face of the Santa Susana Pass. This was barely enough room for a half dozen vehicles to park. 

“PHOTON TALK” DURING A PREVIOUS OUTING

Just a few weeks before while doing night contact work adjacent to the pass, highly anomalous lights had signaled at our contact team from the steep walls of the canyon. The lights were truly anomalous in that they were large, over a foot across and had some special features like strobe and slow flare up and dim functions. They were separated by perhaps one hundred feet. 

One was positioned on the sheer elevation of the canyon. To access it, one would have to be a rock climber of considerable skill. The second light was higher up on the rock face and perched on a ledge next to some scrub brush that clung to the cliff. 

On the night of this encounter, while my team was climbing down the trail from the south side of the pass, one of these lights signaled at our team. With the advice from a co-worker, Alex Ayres, I signaled back the light in a specific pattern: one flash from my lantern, wait three seconds, then two flashes, then wait three seconds, finally three flashes from my halogen 500K candlepower “light bazooka.” 

To my surprise, the anomalous light on the ridge signaled back at me with a powerful strobe. One flash from me, and then an immediate strobe reply. It was so fast that the response occurred even before the light from my “bazooka” had faded.  Two signals from me, followed by strobe, strobe. Finally three in a row from my lantern, flash, flash flash, then three strobes replied. The rapidity of the responses suggested there was a consciousness connection between me and whoever was signaling at us. 

I was working in the ER at the Kaiser Panorama City Medical Center. I had a flexible schedule and it was relatively easy to schedule the outing during an afternoon off. If I had remained in my internal medicine office based practice it would have been much harder to find the time to do contact work. 

The Santa Susana Pass is located in the high desert in the northwest corner of Los Angeles County. It was sunny that day, typical southern California weather, hot and dry. The roar of the traffic on the 118 Freeway filled the canyon. It was a desolate place. The steep canyon walls on either side of the road were covered with sagebrush that clung to rock face. 

A BIG MAN IN A BLACK MERCEDES SEDAN

I couldn’t help noticing a large black Mercedes sedan parked illegally on the overpass that spanned the highway. The widows were rolled up and in the drivers seat sat an enormous man with a white shirt and black tie.  He must have weighed 300lbs and looked like an actor from a James Bond movie, the kind of character that perhaps might be called “Mr. Big.” I imagined that his engine was running and he had the AC on full blast because otherwise that big black car in the hot sun would become an oven on wheels.

THE CSETI INTELLIGENCE CONNECTION

My level of vigilance was high, not just because I grew up in crime ridden New York City during the 1960s and was not accustomed to hiking in the desert, but also because of what I had learned from Dr Greer. At the beginning of the contact campaign that he called the “CE-5 Initiative,” he readily shared details of his interactions with intelligence operatives working for both the legal authorities and the more shadowy elements that he labeled “the control groups.” This was a network of powerful corporate and government forces allegedly working to “keep a lid” on the UFO situation.

Their program presumably was a highly sophisticated campaign of “perception management” using psychological warfare techniques that resulted in what has been called “The UFO Truth Embargo.” Key public influencers, journalists, academicians and politicians and the Pentagon all had a role to convince the American people that when it came to UFOs, “There was nothing to see there.”  

After workshops it was his regular practice to talk to small groups of his followers. Till late hours in the night he told amazing stories about what were the sequelae of the Gulf Breeze encounter in which four saucer shaped craft had signaled at his contact team. This had occurred on the night of March 14, 1992 and just a short distance from the Pensacola Naval Station whose radar I suspected had picked up the event. 

A few weeks later Dr. Greer suddenly found himself invited as a speaker for an alien abduction conference.  The sponsoring organization was called “Treatment and Research for Experienced Anomalous Trauma) (TREAT).” There members of the what he called “a control group” pulled the North Carolina physician aside and “grilled” him about what were his intentions with his new organization called CSETI. In a leaked 2010 document called “Dead Man’s Trigger” On page 21 of the pdf file 

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/files/steve.greer.dead.mans.trigger.pdf

Dr. Greer gives the names of the former US intelligence officers allegedly present at the TREAT conference, General Stubblebine, Colonels John Alexander and Edward Dames. 

So as I waited for my team in the Santa Susana Pass, I was aware of these interactions between my medical colleague and people who would be described in Hollywood westerns as “some pretty tough hombres.”  

THE PRESENCE OF MILITARY OFFICER TYPES AT ROCKY PEAK STATE PARK.

“Mr. Big” in the black Mercedes was the first clue that I things were a bit strange. Later just before the other members of LA CE-5 Working Group arrived, a civilian Jeep pulled up and out jumped a man in his early forties. He had a short mustache, athletic build, wearing shorts, sunglasses, and a baseball style cap.  The brisk and focused way he moved suggested he was active, or retired military. 

About an hour later after the other volunteers for our scouting mission had joined me, we were hiking up to Rocky Peak. On the trail we passed another gentleman who looked like he might be related to the first. Although slightly heavier in build, he had the same kind of short mustache, sunglasses, and military bearing. What made their presence even more remarkable was that it was a week day afternoon and the park was pretty much deserted. Running into one guy who might look like a military officer could be coincidental, but two separate ones, maybe not.

LOW FLYING ONE-MAN CHOPPER WHEEZES BY

As we came down the steep trail to the parking area we had one more clue indicating something strange was going on. A one-man helicopter wheezed by us flying at low altitude through the narrow canyon that formed the Santa Susana Pass. It was so close to the 118 Freeway that from our position on the trail we actually could look down directly into the cockpit. 

I knew such craft existed from photo books that I had read as a child, but I had never seen one in flight. It was probably no more seventy yards from us as it raced by. I didn’t see any governmental or commercial emblem on the toy like chopper. My guess was that this “bird” was flying in violation of LA County regulations that prohibited low altitude flight over freeways. 

Our scouting mission to check out Rocky Peak for UFO research revealed that the trail up to our potential research site was quite doable. I suspected however that it would take the older and slower members of our team close to an hour to get up through the foothills to the base of the mountain. Fortunately there was a large open flat area at the top of the trail. I thought, 

“What a great place for a flying saucer to land.”

The clearing from which Rocky Peak rose up was several football-fields large and we had only encountered one rattlesnake on the hike. This was going to work out just fine. Little did I know that our encounters with helicopters were just beginning. In the next chapter, I describe how two large black helicopters followed us up the trail to what I had imagined was a “perfect UFO research site.” For more details the following link is provided.

Staging Human Initiated Contact Events (HICE) adjacent to a high security research lab involved challenges of surveillance for my team.
https://contactunderground.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/did-a-fateful-phone-call-trigger-the-appearance-of-blackhawk-helicopters-during-contact-work/

Addendum: My suspicions about surveillance of our contact team back in the 1990s was reinforced by a report of alleged “ET” sabotage at the Santa Susana Department of Energy Laboratory located just a few miles away from our research site. In 2006 while working at the Kaiser Panorama City ER, I interviewed a patient who was retired maintenance engineer from the DOE lab. He told me that that around 1990 a water main had been cut. He and a co-worker followed the water line to a point where they found a section of the pipe had been cut out. The hole allegedly had clean margins as if made by a power tool.  A short distance away they saw a metallic disc, 20 to 30 feet across hovering. It was just a few feet off the ground. After they called security, the craft reportedly took off at tremendous speed. 

According to the witness, this event took place around 1990, just a few years before my team did fieldwork near the DOE lab. Given the CSETI Director’s involvement with US Executive Branch security services, and the apparent sabotage at the DOE base, our contact team’s open efforts to attract UFOs to that location likely triggered surveillance and would account for the events described in this report.  For more details read the posting linked directly below:

An Act of Flying Saucer Sabotage at the Department of Energy Laboratory in the Santa Susana Pass

Additional contact team reports: 

My human initiated contact team had immediate results when we started fieldwork, but they were not what I expected.

https://contactunderground.wordpress.com/2022/10/15/mystery-lights-in-the-santa-susana-pass/

During the first month of staging Human Initiated Contact Events (HICE) members our LA based CE-5 team not only had sightings during fieldwork, but also while driving home alone. 

https://contactunderground.wordpress.com/2022/06/20/human-initiated-contact-eventshice-and-the-consciousness-connection/